'Love Wins' by Rob Bell - Paul Ad

14. July 2011 02:34

A lot of fuss has been made over Rob Bell’s latest book - Love Wins.  It is definitely the most talked-about book in the ‘religious’ circles I move in. 

So I oiled up the old mentals and dived in:

I found it easy to read and full of great stories and anecdotes.  And I am left bemused as to why some people have been so upset about it.  Have they even read it?  Maybe I will ask them.  The odd one or two anyway.

Bell starts the book by telling a story of how a person in their church produced a piece of artwork with a quote from Ghandi on it.  Somebody had then attached a piece of paper to it saying:

‘Reality check:  He’s in hell’

 Bell responds:

Really?

Ghandi is in hell?

He is?

We have conformation of this?

Somebody knows this?

Without a doubt?

And that somebody decided to take on the responsibility of letting the rest of us know?

 

Talking about what hell is, where hell is and who is going to hell, is a fascinating conversation.  It is a debate that has been ‘burning’ away for thousands of years and it is not likely to go away. 

In ‘Love wins’ Rob Bell is the latest high profile Christian leader to enter the conversation publically.  He doesn’t really introduce us to any new ideas or concepts; but he re-writes them in an easy-to-access writing style using great stories and examples.  He doesn’t present us with ‘new theology’, rather he encourages people not to think that Christianity is about going to heaven or hell - it is so much more!  (And I agree with him). 

If anything Rob Bell seems to be saying that ‘Judgment is God’s call, not ours’ and ‘nobody has been to the after-life place that we have learnt to call hell and returned to tell us exactly what it is and who is there - so nobody really knows’ (difficult to disagree with this).

I particularly liked the chapters ‘Here is the new there’ and ‘There are Rocks everywhere’.

If I were being picky, which clearly I am about to be, my only gripe, and it’s a small one, is that I think it is a shame that he points out (page10) that the words ‘personal relationship’ aren’t in the bible.  I can see why he has said this because I think he is reacting to the western idea of conversion to Christ and ‘knowing him as your personal lord and saviour’ because it excludes so many who don’t understand the culture.  I felt the context of his comment could have been explained a bit better because I think that ‘personal relationship’, for want of a better phrase, is directly implied all over the bible; from the moment Adam and Eve walk with God in the garden everyday, through Moses who spoke with God as though a man spoke to his friend, to Jesus who says: “I no longer call you my servants, but I call you my friends”.  I could go on…  But that is really not the point of the book - clearly Rob Bell is not suggesting we don’t get to know God and Him us – quite the opposite I think. 

Go on – it’s well worth a read.

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Comments

6/15/2011 9:47:48 AM #

A good anaylsis of this I think. I am just half way through, so might come back to comment when I have finished, but seems to touch on some niggles I have had for a while without necessarilarly providing conclusions. I suppose with any questioning like this it can pull the rug beneath your feet & leave you with more questions.....that's a healthy thing to do, it's on the iBooks store, so easy to download!

Julia

7/1/2011 12:42:03 PM #

Thank you for nice article about Rob Bell's latest book named Love Wins. I will definitelly go for it. Thanks again.

Dave Trader

7/7/2011 10:38:11 AM #

Rob Bells claim that there is the possibility of a sinner coming to saving faith in Christ after death is heresy.

Hebrews Chapter 9 v 27is very clear on this point.

"And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation," (Heb. 9:27-28, NKJV).

This is a key verse in refuting Bell's claim, and when viewing Scripture as a whole it is abundantly clear that Universalism in any guise does not stand up to Biblical examination.  The Bible clearly states over and over again that our eternal destiny is determined by what takes place before we die, not afterwards.  God's Word rules out any chance of the doctrines of Universalism , Annihilationism, Purgatory, Reincarnation, and even Atheism as being true.  God's Word is crystal clear about this, and what has been understood and expounded upon for centuries by historical, orthodox Christianity remains the standard.

Jeremiah

7/29/2011 1:51:47 AM #

Thanks for your comment Jeremiah.  
Maybe it is just my opinion but, after reading the book, I didn't really think that Rob BelI was trying to present the universalist view as the correct one.  If anything his point that love demands choice suggests that not everyone can be saved because it would mean God overruling himself; He is Love!

My impression from the book was that we should be 'universalist' at heart - ie: want everybody to be saved, not wish hell on anybody etc - it doesn't mean that everybody will be.  
Indeed, if God is love and has no favourites, wouldn't it be fair to assume that He would like everybody saved too?

Is there any chance of salvation after death?  Certainly it would be difficult to prove it biblically - as you pointed out from Hebrews, and also what we might learn from the story of the Rich man and Lazarus.  However, does that mean that we shouldn't 'wish' that somehow, in God's grace and power, He might be able to offer people another chance after death?  When Jesus said, on the cross, 'forgive them for they don't know what they are doing', doesn't this also display his heart that all might be saved - where possible?

I think that Rob Bell is basically saying: 'let us not be the ones who condemn people, and let's let God be Love'.  

If anything, I would say that I was left with the impression that Rob Bell is nearer to some form of the annihilationist or conditional immortality view - which I can't see that the bible rules out at all.

Paul Ad

8/6/2011 4:45:30 AM #

Paul Ad...

Interesting word 'wish'.

Wishes are for dandelion seeds on sunny days for kissing teenagers, there is no place for 'wishes' in our Faith. It is not for us to be sentimental about salvation or flippant about God's Grace. We are commissioned to go into the entire world and preach the Gospel as laid down in scripture. We are not to second guess God's Grace or his sovereignty; Jesus Christ on the Cross, broken, twisted and sacrificed is the sole conduit that God's Grace is administered through. It is not our place to entertain the idea of 'maybe or what if'? The stakes are too high.

Nobody wants to see people go to hell; however the broad road, the road with out Christ leads to destruction. We do not tell the unbeliever there maybe a possibility of salvation if you die without Jesus as your Lord and Saviour. We tell them to repent and trust in Jesus, we tell them to do it now for tomorrow may never come!

Look behind Bell's endless rhetorical questions and you will see a wolf in sheep's clothing, a wolf bringing another Gospel. Is it unloving to point to the false prophets across history that humanity foolishly holds up as beacons of light such as Ghandi, Malcolm X or Mother Theresa and assume due to their disbelief and lack of faith in the complete and sufficient work of the cross, that they are now in hell? We do it all of the time with people like Hitler and Osama Bin Laden and nobody including Bell shouts foul. In God's eyes all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God, all are wretched and worthy of Hell. But God in his mercy, through his Holy Spirit stirs, calls, awakens His people and through His Grace gives them a saving faith in Christ Jesus. It is what Jesus did, not what we do. Ghandi I'm sure was a charming man, who did many good works, all of which were tainted by his sinful nature. The term 'filthy rag' springs to mind, without the robes of Christ he is I'm sure in hell.

Jeremiah

8/12/2011 2:18:38 AM #

Yes Jeremiah - I used the word 'wish' deliberately for the very reason that you pointed out.  Unlike the word hope and faith it demands no real evidence or expectation.  Indeed it could be fanciful and immature; sentimental or childlike.  I don't think it wise to build your theology on a wish.

I think a 'wolf in sheep's clothing' is dressed so with the intent to eventually devour the sheep.  If anything I would have thought the opposite of Rob Bell.  I have found no reason to think that he is seeking to devour christians or encourage them to stop following Jesus - unless of course he is 'mid plan' awaiting an opportune moment!  
(Though Jesus' comment about a kingdom divided against itself not prospering does seem appropriate).  
I'm pretty sure that Rob Bells 'endless rhetorical questions' are there, not to draw people away from Jesus, rather to encourage people to think and to seek him.  

As for Ghandi - I just assumed that Rob Bell was pointing out that nobody knows what was in Ghandi's heart when he died. I guess that technically he could have used Hitler as an example too, though it might have evoked a somewhat different response.  

I hope that our conversation helps those who read it to wear the robes of Christ.  It is a fantastic image.  

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